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(11-02-2020, 08:57 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-02-2020, 07:20 PM)Guest Wrote: Resident here:
We sent out interviews this year to the same caliber of applicants we usually interview in the previous years. All of them accepted the invitations.
I am pretty sure however that most of those applicants would also accept "any" interview they get from other programs, since this year's interviews do not involve the extra costs and hassle of travel, accommodation, etc. What I fear is, how many of those applicants are accepting interviews in programs they wouldn't even consider while ranking, or in programs that they would consistently rank low in their lists, basically guaranteeing matching in programs higher up in their lists. This might leave programs with unmatched spots (something that almost never happens in Neurosurgery), and forcing them to go through SOAP.
In my opinion, the governing authorities should have put a limit to how many interviews an applicant can accept/attend, and subsequently rank. This would ensure that we don't see what we are seeing now through the posts where seemingly competitive applicants (by historical parameters) receive almost no interviews.
It is a tough and unpredictable match season, and I sincerely wish each and every one of you the best of luck!
This is very true and pretty much exactly the concern that some have expressed before this cycle, once it was decided it would be virtual. There were concerns that everyone would invite the most qualified applicants and those people would occupy a vast majority of the interview slots programs had available. With it being virtual almost no one will cancel and that leads to a much larger discrepancy between the haves and have-nots in the applicant pool.
I imagine a lot of what happens normally is people accept any interview early on, and then cancel as better places offer. Then, those slots trickle to other applicants. This cycle no one will cancel and that’ll leave people who are hoarding the low-upper and mid-tier program positions with those interviews, and they will pretty much hold onto them since 1) they don’t have better offers to take and 2) they don't need to cancel to make room for other interviews since travel isn't involved. That prevents the people with few to no invites thus far from getting anything. I'm doing decently on invites, so I may cap myself at 20 since 15-20 seems to be the number for 90%+ chance of matching in previous years. It's unlikely I and most other US MD applicants need more than that and from what we're seeing here there are qualified people not getting offers
I completely agree with this. There was a study from OBGYN published earlier this year if all top applicants accept all their interviews then almost half of the total applicants will receive one or zero interviews this cycle. I second capping myself at 20 and will also partake.
Part of the problem is that top 30-40 programs are the last to release interviews this year. I applied to below the average # and I’m ok with the number of IIs I’ve received, but I’m doing poorly with top programs that have invited ppl. I’d start withdrawing apps and interviews if I felt confident I’d hit 19-20, but it’s so hard to know. Once those start to drop, I think there will be more cancellations. I’d honestly hate to do more than 20 interviews.
I wouldn’t be surprised if too places interview mostly the same ppl and a couple spots end up in the scramble.
(11-02-2020, 10:24 PM)Guest Wrote: Guest
(11-02-2020, 08:57 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-02-2020, 07:20 PM)Guest Wrote: Resident here:
We sent out interviews this year to the same caliber of applicants we usually interview in the previous years. All of them accepted the invitations.
I am pretty sure however that most of those applicants would also accept "any" interview they get from other programs, since this year's interviews do not involve the extra costs and hassle of travel, accommodation, etc. What I fear is, how many of those applicants are accepting interviews in programs they wouldn't even consider while ranking, or in programs that they would consistently rank low in their lists, basically guaranteeing matching in programs higher up in their lists. This might leave programs with unmatched spots (something that almost never happens in Neurosurgery), and forcing them to go through SOAP.
In my opinion, the governing authorities should have put a limit to how many interviews an applicant can accept/attend, and subsequently rank. This would ensure that we don't see what we are seeing now through the posts where seemingly competitive applicants (by historical parameters) receive almost no interviews.
It is a tough and unpredictable match season, and I sincerely wish each and every one of you the best of luck!
This is very true and pretty much exactly the concern that some have expressed before this cycle, once it was decided it would be virtual. There were concerns that everyone would invite the most qualified applicants and those people would occupy a vast majority of the interview slots programs had available. With it being virtual almost no one will cancel and that leads to a much larger discrepancy between the haves and have-nots in the applicant pool.
I imagine a lot of what happens normally is people accept any interview early on, and then cancel as better places offer. Then, those slots trickle to other applicants. This cycle no one will cancel and that’ll leave people who are hoarding the low-upper and mid-tier program positions with those interviews, and they will pretty much hold onto them since 1) they don’t have better offers to take and 2) they don't need to cancel to make room for other interviews since travel isn't involved. That prevents the people with few to no invites thus far from getting anything. I'm doing decently on invites, so I may cap myself at 20 since 15-20 seems to be the number for 90%+ chance of matching in previous years. It's unlikely I and most other US MD applicants need more than that and from what we're seeing here there are qualified people not getting offers
I completely agree with this. There was a study from OBGYN published earlier this year if all top applicants accept all their interviews then almost half of the total applicants will receive one or zero interviews this cycle. I second capping myself at 20 and will also partake.
Part of the problem is that top 30-40 programs are the last to release interviews this year. I applied to below the average # and I’m ok with the number of IIs I’ve received, but I’m doing poorly with top programs that have invited ppl. I’d start withdrawing apps and interviews if I felt confident I’d hit 19-20, but it’s so hard to know. Once those start to drop, I think there will be more cancellations. I’d honestly hate to do more than 20 interviews.
I wouldn’t be surprised if too places interview mostly the same ppl and a couple spots end up in the scramble.
Yeah I think programs are gonna have to soap to fill this year if the top places interview all the same applicants. I’m in the exact same boat - have gotten good amount of interviews and am a competitive applicant but have missed out on every “higher” tier place that has released interviews so far
(11-02-2020, 11:07 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-02-2020, 10:24 PM)Guest Wrote: Guest
(11-02-2020, 08:57 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-02-2020, 07:20 PM)Guest Wrote: Resident here:
We sent out interviews this year to the same caliber of applicants we usually interview in the previous years. All of them accepted the invitations.
I am pretty sure however that most of those applicants would also accept "any" interview they get from other programs, since this year's interviews do not involve the extra costs and hassle of travel, accommodation, etc. What I fear is, how many of those applicants are accepting interviews in programs they wouldn't even consider while ranking, or in programs that they would consistently rank low in their lists, basically guaranteeing matching in programs higher up in their lists. This might leave programs with unmatched spots (something that almost never happens in Neurosurgery), and forcing them to go through SOAP.
In my opinion, the governing authorities should have put a limit to how many interviews an applicant can accept/attend, and subsequently rank. This would ensure that we don't see what we are seeing now through the posts where seemingly competitive applicants (by historical parameters) receive almost no interviews.
It is a tough and unpredictable match season, and I sincerely wish each and every one of you the best of luck!
This is very true and pretty much exactly the concern that some have expressed before this cycle, once it was decided it would be virtual. There were concerns that everyone would invite the most qualified applicants and those people would occupy a vast majority of the interview slots programs had available. With it being virtual almost no one will cancel and that leads to a much larger discrepancy between the haves and have-nots in the applicant pool.
I imagine a lot of what happens normally is people accept any interview early on, and then cancel as better places offer. Then, those slots trickle to other applicants. This cycle no one will cancel and that’ll leave people who are hoarding the low-upper and mid-tier program positions with those interviews, and they will pretty much hold onto them since 1) they don’t have better offers to take and 2) they don't need to cancel to make room for other interviews since travel isn't involved. That prevents the people with few to no invites thus far from getting anything. I'm doing decently on invites, so I may cap myself at 20 since 15-20 seems to be the number for 90%+ chance of matching in previous years. It's unlikely I and most other US MD applicants need more than that and from what we're seeing here there are qualified people not getting offers
I completely agree with this. There was a study from OBGYN published earlier this year if all top applicants accept all their interviews then almost half of the total applicants will receive one or zero interviews this cycle. I second capping myself at 20 and will also partake.
Part of the problem is that top 30-40 programs are the last to release interviews this year. I applied to below the average # and I’m ok with the number of IIs I’ve received, but I’m doing poorly with top programs that have invited ppl. I’d start withdrawing apps and interviews if I felt confident I’d hit 19-20, but it’s so hard to know. Once those start to drop, I think there will be more cancellations. I’d honestly hate to do more than 20 interviews.
I wouldn’t be surprised if too places interview mostly the same ppl and a couple spots end up in the scramble.
Yeah I think programs are gonna have to soap to fill this year if the top places interview all the same applicants. I’m in the exact same boat - have gotten good amount of interviews and am a competitive applicant but have missed out on every “higher” tier place that has released interviews so far
This is only further exacerbated by programs releasing less invitations. I dont understand the logic of interviewing less people when it seems easier to do than ever before? Less interviews overall and more interviews held by a minority of applicants will only hurt everyone. Wish PD's or the SNS was aware of this.
Anyone else's IIs sort of a mixed bag? Some IIs I made a very concerted pre-interview effort based on research interests (and was glad to have seen paid off), some IIs with no pre-interview communication at all (and from surprisingly high tiers), but I've missed out on places I thought I was competitive for based on stats/geography and despite what I thought was positive pre-interview communication.
I'm definitely in a fortunate position and like others above will release many of these as time goes on, but I have no idea what to make of this cycle thus far
(11-03-2020, 12:12 AM)Guest Wrote: Anyone else's IIs sort of a mixed bag? Some IIs I made a very concerted pre-interview effort based on research interests (and was glad to have seen paid off), some IIs with no pre-interview communication at all (and from surprisingly high tiers), but I've missed out on places I thought I was competitive for based on stats/geography and despite what I thought was positive pre-interview communication.
I'm definitely in a fortunate position and like others above will release many of these as time goes on, but I have no idea what to make of this cycle thus far
Jury is still out for me because only one place I did any of the virtual meetings for has released thus far (didn't get the II), but the places whose virtual experiences I spent the most time on haven't released II yet so I'm not sure what to make of the role of attending these meet and greets or virtual subI's in who gets IIs. All the other higher tier places who've released and I missed out on, I didn't go to any of their virtual sessions, so who knows what role that plays
Can someone comment on the etiquette for if you get interview invite during an interview
(11-03-2020, 10:35 AM)Guest Wrote: Can someone comment on the etiquette for if you get interview invite during an interview
Dual monitors with the other kind of stealth navigation
(11-03-2020, 10:36 AM)Guest Wrote: (11-03-2020, 10:35 AM)Guest Wrote: Can someone comment on the etiquette for if you get interview invite during an interview
Dual monitors with the other kind of stealth navigation
greatest post on this forum
(11-03-2020, 10:36 AM)Guest Wrote: (11-03-2020, 10:35 AM)Guest Wrote: Can someone comment on the etiquette for if you get interview invite during an interview
Dual monitors with the other kind of stealth navigation
A+
Anyone else get a weird email from UT San Antonio saying NO ASSIGNED INTERVIEW DATE?
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