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Lower step 1?
#11
(07-24-2018, 11:24 PM)Guest Wrote: I do have a home program and have been working on a few projects with different attendings over the past year hoping to publish soon, however my class does have several people interested in nsg so the internal competition is definitely there. Any programs you guys know of that are more lenient with step 1 scores in particular?

Don't worry about internal competition. I went to a school that is historically a neurosurgery breeding ground. 6-7 people were thinking about neurosurgery post-step 1 but by the time ERAS rolled around only 2 of us applied. The others went into other surgical specialties so not a complete 180 but still a change.



(07-25-2018, 10:18 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 10:04 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 09:29 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 02:31 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 01:16 PM)Guest Wrote: To be honest i'm surprised you're still alive

<230: chances are slim unless you're an MD-PhD from a top program
230-235: still possible, need papers, good away performances
235-240: decent shot, will probably match
240-250: good chance of matching
250+: redundant, maybe programs like Stanford or Cleveland Clinic who have strict Step cutoffs will invite you


Cleveland clinic cut off is news to me.

I think last year they didn't interview anyone under a 240

How does this change if I'm a DO student in the high 240s?

I think DO is an uphill battle. I don't know specifics but you'd be hard-pressed to see a DO in a solid neurosurgery residency program.
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#12
(07-25-2018, 11:13 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 11:24 PM)Guest Wrote: I do have a home program and have been working on a few projects with different attendings over the past year hoping to publish soon, however my class does have several people interested in nsg so the internal competition is definitely there. Any programs you guys know of that are more lenient with step 1 scores in particular?

Don't worry about internal competition. I went to a school that is historically a neurosurgery breeding ground. 6-7 people were thinking about neurosurgery post-step 1 but by the time ERAS rolled around only 2 of us applied. The others went into other surgical specialties so not a complete 180 but still a change.



(07-25-2018, 10:18 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 10:04 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 09:29 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 02:31 PM)Guest Wrote: <230: chances are slim unless you're an MD-PhD from a top program
230-235: still possible, need papers, good away performances
235-240: decent shot, will probably match
240-250: good chance of matching
250+: redundant, maybe programs like Stanford or Cleveland Clinic who have strict Step cutoffs will invite you


Cleveland clinic cut off is news to me.

I think last year they didn't interview anyone under a 240

How does this change if I'm a DO student in the high 240s?

I think DO is an uphill battle. I don't know specifics but you'd be hard-pressed to see a DO in a solid neurosurgery residency program.

Don’t lose hope. While your medical school may limit where you can do residency, it does not limit your potential as a neurosurgeon. If you want to play the rankings game, some of the best pediatric neurosurgeons in the country are DOs (see Cinci Children’s).

Good luck
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#13
(07-25-2018, 02:10 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-25-2018, 11:13 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 11:24 PM)Guest Wrote: I do have a home program and have been working on a few projects with different attendings over the past year hoping to publish soon, however my class does have several people interested in nsg so the internal competition is definitely there. Any programs you guys know of that are more lenient with step 1 scores in particular?

Don't worry about internal competition. I went to a school that is historically a neurosurgery breeding ground. 6-7 people were thinking about neurosurgery post-step 1 but by the time ERAS rolled around only 2 of us applied. The others went into other surgical specialties so not a complete 180 but still a change.



(07-25-2018, 10:18 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 10:04 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 09:29 PM)Guest Wrote: Cleveland clinic cut off is news to me.

I think last year they didn't interview anyone under a 240

How does this change if I'm a DO student in the high 240s?

I think DO is an uphill battle. I don't know specifics but you'd be hard-pressed to see a DO in a solid neurosurgery residency program.

Don’t lose hope. While your medical school may limit where you can do residency, it does not limit your potential as a neurosurgeon. If you want to play the rankings game, some of the best pediatric neurosurgeons in the country are DOs (see Cinci Children’s).

Good luck

^^
Accept that it's going to be a tough fight but let that be fuel for killin' it in med school and doing your best to prepare yourself for applying to residency.
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#14
How many programs are their?
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#15
Does the merger mean that MD and DO students are now competing for all the same ACGME spots? I figure that would be the fair assumption, if someone just wants the best resident they would just take the one with the better CV and scores regardless?
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#16
(07-25-2018, 10:18 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 10:04 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 09:29 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 02:31 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 01:16 PM)Guest Wrote: To be honest i'm surprised you're still alive

<230: chances are slim unless you're an MD-PhD from a top program
230-235: still possible, need papers, good away performances
235-240: decent shot, will probably match
240-250: good chance of matching
250+: redundant, maybe programs like Stanford or Cleveland Clinic who have strict Step cutoffs will invite you


Cleveland clinic cut off is news to me.

I think last year they didn't interview anyone under a 240

How does this change if I'm a DO student in the high 240s?

High 240s means you're dead average for neurosurgery. Most DO's who succeed in the ACGME match are well above the competition in terms of their stats (260s, many publications, etc.)
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#17
(07-25-2018, 04:40 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-25-2018, 10:18 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 10:04 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 09:29 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 02:31 PM)Guest Wrote: <230: chances are slim unless you're an MD-PhD from a top program
230-235: still possible, need papers, good away performances
235-240: decent shot, will probably match
240-250: good chance of matching
250+: redundant, maybe programs like Stanford or Cleveland Clinic who have strict Step cutoffs will invite you


Cleveland clinic cut off is news to me.

I think last year they didn't interview anyone under a 240

How does this change if I'm a DO student in the high 240s?

High 240s means you're dead average for neurosurgery. Most DO's who succeed in the ACGME match are well above the competition in terms of their stats (260s, many publications, etc.)

I appreciate everyones advice and insight on this topic. One last question: with my score being average for neurosurgery, would it be wise/advantageous to take step 2 prior to submitting applications (and miss out on doing a sub-I in July), or wait to take it later in the fall? The way I see it is that a great step 2 score can help, but that means missing out on a potential sub-I where I may get a letter of recommendation.
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#18
(07-25-2018, 06:13 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-25-2018, 04:40 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-25-2018, 10:18 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 10:04 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 09:29 PM)Guest Wrote: Cleveland clinic cut off is news to me.

I think last year they didn't interview anyone under a 240

How does this change if I'm a DO student in the high 240s?

High 240s means you're dead average for neurosurgery. Most DO's who succeed in the ACGME match are well above the competition in terms of their stats (260s, many publications, etc.)

I appreciate everyones advice and insight on this topic. One last question: with my score being average for neurosurgery, would it be wise/advantageous to take step 2 prior to submitting applications (and miss out on doing a sub-I in July), or wait to take it later in the fall? The way I see it is that a great step 2 score can help, but that means missing out on a potential sub-I where I may get a letter of recommendation.

If you have a specific place (or few) in mind where you would really like to match, the best thing you can do is rotate there and crush it. Doing so will exponentially increase your chances of matching at that program, not to mention you'll get a great letter that will help you at places you didn't rotate.
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#19
(07-25-2018, 06:13 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-25-2018, 04:40 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-25-2018, 10:18 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 10:04 PM)Guest Wrote:
(07-24-2018, 09:29 PM)Guest Wrote: Cleveland clinic cut off is news to me.

I think last year they didn't interview anyone under a 240

How does this change if I'm a DO student in the high 240s?

High 240s means you're dead average for neurosurgery. Most DO's who succeed in the ACGME match are well above the competition in terms of their stats (260s, many publications, etc.)

I appreciate everyones advice and insight on this topic. One last question: with my score being average for neurosurgery, would it be wise/advantageous to take step 2 prior to submitting applications (and miss out on doing a sub-I in July), or wait to take it later in the fall? The way I see it is that a great step 2 score can help, but that means missing out on a potential sub-I where I may get a letter of recommendation.

Im a DO applicant with high 240s this year. Got 16 interviews. its an uphill battle but not impossible for us
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#20
liessss
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