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NW/Rush
#11
Leaders in Neurosurgery = people that don't know how to operate and hide into the politics of organized neurosurgery or inside a basic science lab.
Neurosurgeons = people that will operate your family member with a neurosurgical condition.
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#12
(05-17-2019, 09:01 PM)Guest Wrote: Leaders in Neurosurgery = people that don't know how to operate and hide into the politics of organized neurosurgery or inside a basic science lab.
Neurosurgeons = people that will operate your family member with a neurosurgical condition.

Keep telling yourself that bud. If you or your family member actually needed surgery you'd go to a big name guy, likely at a major academic center with a productive lab. Not some nobody in private practice trying to sell people laser spine surgery.
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#13
(05-17-2019, 09:24 PM)Guest Wrote:
(05-17-2019, 09:01 PM)Guest Wrote: Leaders in Neurosurgery = people that don't know how to operate and hide into the politics of organized neurosurgery or inside a basic science lab.
Neurosurgeons = people that will operate your family member with a neurosurgical condition.

Keep telling yourself that bud. If you or your family member actually needed surgery you'd go to a big name guy, likely at a major academic center with a productive lab. Not some nobody in private practice trying to sell people laser spine surgery.

Bottom line: choose a career path that you think fits your style early.  You can still generate great research at a high volume institution tied to a university hospital, it will just take more work.  Likewise it will be tough to get an amazing operative experience if your institution has you double scrubbing through PGY 3 year with 2 years of dedicated research.
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#14
(05-17-2019, 09:24 PM)Guest Wrote:
(05-17-2019, 09:01 PM)Guest Wrote: Leaders in Neurosurgery = people that don't know how to operate and hide into the politics of organized neurosurgery or inside a basic science lab.
Neurosurgeons = people that will operate your family member with a neurosurgical condition.

Keep telling yourself that bud. If you or your family member actually needed surgery you'd go to a big name guy, likely at a major academic center with a productive lab. Not some nobody in private practice trying to sell people laser spine surgery.

Technically good neurosurgeons are everywhere....private practice, privademics or major academic center. The problem is that people assume that high academic productivity is synonymous of operative quality. Don't fool yourself. The truth is that the "surgeon-scientist" concept is a myth. They are either good surgeons doing okay research or okay surgeons doing good research.
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#15
(05-17-2019, 07:24 PM)Guest Wrote: I don't argue with the fact that Rush has more operative volume than NW. But Rush is never going to be one of the elite neurosurgery training programs like NW is. In terms of being a leader in the neurosurgical field or becoming a chair/PD, you're going to get far better preparation at NW than Rush.
And as you said yourself, the volume at Rush is pretty close to the national average.

Northwestern a top program? They have certainly gotten better in previous years but don't put them in the same tier as a top academic program like the UCSFs and Columbias of the world.
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#16
(05-17-2019, 08:10 PM)Guest Wrote: what's national average volume for neurosurgery?

https://academic.oup.com/neurosurgery/ar...chresult=1

This was an article from last month's Neurosurgery.
This is from the resident perspective not the program perspective, but just to give you an idea.
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#17
(05-17-2019, 10:06 PM)Guest Wrote:
(05-17-2019, 09:24 PM)Guest Wrote:
(05-17-2019, 09:01 PM)Guest Wrote: Leaders in Neurosurgery = people that don't know how to operate and hide into the politics of organized neurosurgery or inside a basic science lab.
Neurosurgeons = people that will operate your family member with a neurosurgical condition.

Keep telling yourself that bud. If you or your family member actually needed surgery you'd go to a big name guy, likely at a major academic center with a productive lab. Not some nobody in private practice trying to sell people laser spine surgery.

Technically good neurosurgeons are everywhere....private practice, privademics or major academic center. The problem is that people assume that high academic productivity is synonymous of operative quality. Don't fool yourself. The truth is that the "surgeon-scientist" concept is a myth. They are either good surgeons doing okay research or okay surgeons doing good research.

The truth is that the "surgeon-scientist" concept is a myth. They are either good surgeons doing okay research or okay surgeons doing good research.”

So it’s not a myth
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#18
Rotated both at NW and rush. Was really impressed with my time at Rush. Operatively the chiefs and their r3s at the time were really impressive. However it lacked the research aspect that many high ranked institutes had. North western also was also a good option and it had many of those research opportunities. Many of their cases we double scrubbed and I didn't feel nearly as welcomed. At the end of the day you will be well trained anywhere you go. If you want to do research northwestern will offer more options but if you just want to work hard and operate, rush is your place.
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#19
Sub-I’d at Northwestern two years ago and it was a complete shithole— full of incompetent people with bad attitudes. The facilities and surrounding neighborhood were stunning, though. Loved my interview day at Rush although I didn’t get a chance to rotate there. Did not rank Northwestern but ranked Rush highly. Rush is not a research institution, though, so you’ll have to keep that in mind.
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#20
A good way to compare would be looking up where their recent graduates went for fellowships and jobs. Isn’t that a simple enough idea? Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one.
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