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Wayyyy over hours on subinternships (100-110+)
#31
Old school neurosurgeons had to be inhuman. The field demanded it. It also left made many of them divorced, abusive of substances, or just plain fucking crazy. Everyone in this field has a hard-on for Cushing, but by all accounts he was an asshole of legendary proportions.

Despite what those guys (and they were mostly guys) would care to admit, there is a happy medium between getting good clinical training and losing everything important to you. It probably takes more than 80 hours a week, and it's not easy, but there's no reason that doing this has to be unhealthy.
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#32
(08-14-2019, 12:21 AM)Guest Wrote: Old school neurosurgeons had to be inhuman.  The field demanded it.  It also left made many of them divorced, abusive of substances, or just plain fucking crazy.  Everyone in this field has a hard-on for Cushing, but by all accounts he was an asshole of legendary proportions.

Despite what those guys (and they were mostly guys) would care to admit, there is a happy medium between getting good clinical training and losing everything important to you.  It probably takes more than 80 hours a week, and it's not easy, but there's no reason that doing this has to be unhealthy.

This is what happens when you let chicks into the field...
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#33
The chicks out there will outwork you in a week. They are not humans.
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#34
(08-14-2019, 02:09 AM)Guest Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 12:21 AM)Guest Wrote: Old school neurosurgeons had to be inhuman.  The field demanded it.  It also left made many of them divorced, abusive of substances, or just plain fucking crazy.  Everyone in this field has a hard-on for Cushing, but by all accounts he was an asshole of legendary proportions.

Despite what those guys (and they were mostly guys) would care to admit, there is a happy medium between getting good clinical training and losing everything important to you.  It probably takes more than 80 hours a week, and it's not easy, but there's no reason that doing this has to be unhealthy.

This is what happens when you let chicks into the field...

Go fuck yourself
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#35
Senior resident here, I just took a nap at the hospital, it gets better!
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#36
I slept 5 hours during call at Stanford as a subi
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#37
(08-14-2019, 02:09 AM)Guest Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 12:21 AM)Guest Wrote: Old school neurosurgeons had to be inhuman.  The field demanded it.  It also left made many of them divorced, abusive of substances, or just plain fucking crazy.  Everyone in this field has a hard-on for Cushing, but by all accounts he was an asshole of legendary proportions.

Despite what those guys (and they were mostly guys) would care to admit, there is a happy medium between getting good clinical training and losing everything important to you.  It probably takes more than 80 hours a week, and it's not easy, but there's no reason that doing this has to be unhealthy.

This is what happens when you let chicks into the field...

What in the actual fuck is wrong with you? Like, as a human being?
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#38
(08-14-2019, 02:09 AM)Guest Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 12:21 AM)Guest Wrote: Old school neurosurgeons had to be inhuman.  The field demanded it.  It also left made many of them divorced, abusive of substances, or just plain fucking crazy.  Everyone in this field has a hard-on for Cushing, but by all accounts he was an asshole of legendary proportions.

Despite what those guys (and they were mostly guys) would care to admit, there is a happy medium between getting good clinical training and losing everything important to you.  It probably takes more than 80 hours a week, and it's not easy, but there's no reason that doing this has to be unhealthy.

This is what happens when you let chicks into the field...

What's funny is how oblivious people like this are to the changing environment around them.  Patients, employers, administrators, and hospitals don't want to - and don't have to! - put up with your shit anymore.  There are way too many neurosurgeons (not to mention ortho spine folks and interventional neuroradiologists) who are just as well-trained as you are, minus the misogynistic prick personality that's going to create personnel complaints, fines, lawsuits, and other administrative headaches.  You might be able to get a job upselling 12-level fusions at some rural Midwest center where the poor patients are desperate for a warm body with "Neurosurgery" on the name tag, but the future of neurosurgery doesn't include you.  Those of us who really love our jobs will continue to find a way to actually make things better.

Kudos to the original poster, who didn't say anything about working less hard, just working smarter.  Other fields figured this out a long time ago.
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#39
(08-15-2019, 09:34 AM)Guest Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 02:09 AM)Guest Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 12:21 AM)Guest Wrote: Old school neurosurgeons had to be inhuman.  The field demanded it.  It also left made many of them divorced, abusive of substances, or just plain fucking crazy.  Everyone in this field has a hard-on for Cushing, but by all accounts he was an asshole of legendary proportions.

Despite what those guys (and they were mostly guys) would care to admit, there is a happy medium between getting good clinical training and losing everything important to you.  It probably takes more than 80 hours a week, and it's not easy, but there's no reason that doing this has to be unhealthy.

This is what happens when you let chicks into the field...

What's funny is how oblivious people like this are to the changing environment around them.  Patients, employers, administrators, and hospitals don't want to - and don't have to! - put up with your shit anymore.  There are way too many neurosurgeons (not to mention ortho spine folks and interventional neuroradiologists) who are just as well-trained as you are, minus the misogynistic prick personality that's going to create personnel complaints, fines, lawsuits, and other administrative headaches.  You might be able to get a job upselling 12-level fusions at some rural Midwest center where the poor patients are desperate for a warm body with "Neurosurgery" on the name tag, but the future of neurosurgery doesn't include you.  Those of us who really love our jobs will continue to find a way to actually make things better.

Kudos to the original poster, who didn't say anything about working less hard, just working smarter.  Other fields figured this out a long time ago.
“Working smarter” - the millennial solution to the dumb boomers
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#40
(08-15-2019, 09:57 AM)Guest Wrote:
(08-15-2019, 09:34 AM)Guest Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 02:09 AM)Guest Wrote:
(08-14-2019, 12:21 AM)Guest Wrote: Old school neurosurgeons had to be inhuman.  The field demanded it.  It also left made many of them divorced, abusive of substances, or just plain fucking crazy.  Everyone in this field has a hard-on for Cushing, but by all accounts he was an asshole of legendary proportions.

Despite what those guys (and they were mostly guys) would care to admit, there is a happy medium between getting good clinical training and losing everything important to you.  It probably takes more than 80 hours a week, and it's not easy, but there's no reason that doing this has to be unhealthy.

This is what happens when you let chicks into the field...

What's funny is how oblivious people like this are to the changing environment around them.  Patients, employers, administrators, and hospitals don't want to - and don't have to! - put up with your shit anymore.  There are way too many neurosurgeons (not to mention ortho spine folks and interventional neuroradiologists) who are just as well-trained as you are, minus the misogynistic prick personality that's going to create personnel complaints, fines, lawsuits, and other administrative headaches.  You might be able to get a job upselling 12-level fusions at some rural Midwest center where the poor patients are desperate for a warm body with "Neurosurgery" on the name tag, but the future of neurosurgery doesn't include you.  Those of us who really love our jobs will continue to find a way to actually make things better.

Kudos to the original poster, who didn't say anything about working less hard, just working smarter.  Other fields figured this out a long time ago.
“Working smarter” - the millennial solution to the dumb boomers

Synonymous with increased efficiency. Whats wrong with that?
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