(03-18-2020, 03:23 PM)Guest Wrote: (03-18-2020, 03:00 PM)Guest Wrote: (03-18-2020, 02:55 PM)Guest Wrote: (03-18-2020, 02:30 PM)Guest Wrote: (03-18-2020, 01:37 PM)Guest Wrote: Sure it's great learning, but a global crisis is not the time for learning. You wouldn't learn how to work a gun from the front lines of a war, and you shouldn't be learning how to treat ARDS for the first time during a pandemic.
Tell that to the soviet's from WWII.
I don't think you guys have any comprehension on the scope and severity of the lack of, literally warm bodies who are able to provide care for patients, that this pandemic will create. Hiding at home for fear of "not wasting" PPE, or not catching it, is weak at best, and desertion of duty when it comes down to it.
The exact thing we're trying to avoid is a situation akin to the soviets in WWII. A bunch of undertrained young people being thrown at the situation and getting the disease does nothing but put the rest of the population they come in contact with at risk. We don't need manpower, we don't need "literal warm bodies", in fact we need as little "warm bodies" treating this as possible. We need ventilators, we need infrastructure, and we need tests.
And banning med students to conserve a valuable resource is completely different from "desertion of duty". It's stream lining teams, leaving out members that don't contribute anything useful.
Lol who are they going to learn from when all of the actual doctors die because there aren't enough people to take care of the sick?
Dude go back to doing your Anki cards. If you were a real resident you'd know that almost every single service in the hospital is operating at bare bones capacity (1-2 people in house max) with the rest of the department at home supporting remotely or twiddling their thumbs because every elective case in canceled. I'm in an epicenter, and we're not even CLOSE to pulling neurosurg residents to go help out on floors/ED, let alone other subspecialties like ENT, ortho, uro, ophtho, GI who are basically all doing nothing right now, let alone med students. Wtf are they even gonna do? Put in tylenol orders? They're not even letting medicine residents tube the COVID pts w/ gas getting called in to do that. We need as FEW people in the hospital as possible right now. The only way "all of the actual doctors die" is if a bunch of med students burn through all of our N95s and have to ask the resident what to do at each step anyway. What we need is more beds and nonessential personnel to gtfo.
What is the downside to having MS4s ready with credentials and access in case the time does come?
(03-18-2020, 03:27 PM)Guest Wrote: (03-18-2020, 03:23 PM)Guest Wrote: (03-18-2020, 03:00 PM)Guest Wrote: (03-18-2020, 02:55 PM)Guest Wrote: (03-18-2020, 02:30 PM)Guest Wrote: Tell that to the soviet's from WWII.
I don't think you guys have any comprehension on the scope and severity of the lack of, literally warm bodies who are able to provide care for patients, that this pandemic will create. Hiding at home for fear of "not wasting" PPE, or not catching it, is weak at best, and desertion of duty when it comes down to it.
The exact thing we're trying to avoid is a situation akin to the soviets in WWII. A bunch of undertrained young people being thrown at the situation and getting the disease does nothing but put the rest of the population they come in contact with at risk. We don't need manpower, we don't need "literal warm bodies", in fact we need as little "warm bodies" treating this as possible. We need ventilators, we need infrastructure, and we need tests.
And banning med students to conserve a valuable resource is completely different from "desertion of duty". It's stream lining teams, leaving out members that don't contribute anything useful.
Lol who are they going to learn from when all of the actual doctors die because there aren't enough people to take care of the sick?
Dude go back to doing your Anki cards. If you were a real resident you'd know that almost every single service in the hospital is operating at bare bones capacity (1-2 people in house max) with the rest of the department at home supporting remotely or twiddling their thumbs because every elective case in canceled. I'm in an epicenter, and we're not even CLOSE to pulling neurosurg residents to go help out on floors/ED, let alone other subspecialties like ENT, ortho, uro, ophtho, GI who are basically all doing nothing right now, let alone med students. Wtf are they even gonna do? Put in tylenol orders? They're not even letting medicine residents tube the COVID pts w/ gas getting called in to do that. We need as FEW people in the hospital as possible right now. The only way "all of the actual doctors die" is if a bunch of med students burn through all of our N95s and have to ask the resident what to do at each step anyway. What we need is more beds and nonessential personnel to gtfo.
What is the downside to having MS4s ready with credentials and access in case the time does come?
There is no real downside. If you can cut through the bureaucracy then graduate the M4s early and have them report to their place of residency early if you want. I honestly can't imagine a situation where we would want/need them here. We would pull actual residents from every other specialty long before that would ever happen. Even in Italy, which is completely overrun (and has a lot of unique factors, like a huge elderly population with significant smoking histories and underlying lung disease), the med students were sent to work in nursing homes and outpatient clinics, NOT hospitals.
You can’t imagine it because we have never seen a pandemic. We don’t know what to expect and should be prepared. Even working in clinics and nursing homes is help.
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