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Stanford 2020 and beyond?
#11
You'll see a lot of moyamoya I guess
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#12
The reality is everyone on this messaging board will be applying to Stanford for residency. Only 24 of you will be able to attend. They're clinical training is sadly underrated. As a PGY1 you're on the floor and you come in to the OR to learn how to open and close, as a PGY2 you're in charge of the ICU patients and have a 4 month operative block where you operate every day. As PGY3, you're Chief at either VA, County, or Children's; it's you and the attending in the OR and you run the floor. Then for years 4 & 5, you can answer basically any research question you'd like to answer with Stanford's plethora of research labs. You can get an MBA at a top 3 business program and build silicon valley connections. You can get any advanced degree you'd like. Not sure how they're handling the CAST-recommended 6+1 model, but as recently as this year, you could do enfolded fellowships in spine and epilepsy (not sure about other subspecialties).

Stanford's clinical experience is criminally underrated. It's sad that this site propagates unwarranted reputations.

Source: Did sub-I at Stanford.
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#13
Lol, PGY is 'chief' huh? No one in the country is holding Stanford in consideration for well trained operative clinicians. They are not. It is an excellent research program. The residency culture there is not the same as an operative heavy place where residents are trying to crank numbers out. The residents that come out of Stanford have great careers and make lots of contributions to the field, but they are not the 'elite' surgeons.

The reality is, almost EVERY intern has the same experience, no interns are clipping aneurysms or doing complex skull base cases. You learn to position, help expose, and close. As a PGY2, you learn to do a bit more. At a place like Stanford, or any similar program with 2 research years in between, you develop the basic skill set and flow of the OR but then you take 2 years off from surgery. You come back as a PGY6 not having operated in 2 years, and you're now fumbling about trying to do what you need to do. You are behind as a PGY6 compared to most other residency programs. This carries into PGY7.

I am not attacking Stanford, it is a great place. But if you go there you need to know you will likely need a fellowship to be proficient clinically. And that is totally fine. The research, if productive, will still set up a great career for you. But don't act like its even 'average' operatively, its not.
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#14
Regardless of their competency, Stanford grad will be ahead in terms of academics, future leadership roles, which is why people gravitate towards those places
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#15
This is the equivalent of fat men with neck beards debating which anime they enjoy the most.

How about you just go live your life...there are tons of patients who need help and open research questions that are waiting to be solved. Go do that, and the world will actually be a better place #antitoxicity
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