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"Gentlemen's" Programs
#91
Unlikely that anyone here is actually an attending, let alone a resident. Mostly just med students playing house online. Not worth the trouble
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#92
ohsu is a cuck beta program? tell that to the ex pgy 3 resident yeah
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#93
Lots of micro aggressions on this thread. I just talked to my mom about it, she said I need a safe space.
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#94
(07-20-2018, 01:19 AM)Guest Wrote: ohsu is a cuck beta program? tell that to the ex pgy 3 resident yeah

Kindly go fuck yourself.
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#95
(07-20-2018, 01:42 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-20-2018, 01:19 AM)Guest Wrote: ohsu is a cuck beta program? tell that to the ex pgy 3 resident yeah

Kindly go fuck yourself.

very sad
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#96
(07-19-2018, 11:13 PM)Guest Wrote: This poster is clearly not a resident...

Most residency programs have the number of residents that they do because it just isn't feasible to add more people to the resident complement. Case volume across the country isn't high enough to justify adding more people, and a large number of residents graduating these days are already undertrained as a result of work hour restrictions. So unless you're proposing to extend residency to 8 years, there's no simple solution. Plus a lot of programs cover multiple hospitals, which means residents are spread thin and simply adding one or two more people isn't going to make a big enough difference to matter anyway.

No one is trying to intimidate or shame women into choosing another specialty. The problem is that choosing to have a kid affects other people in the program negatively. Is it fair that your choice means that I have to work harder? No it isn't. If one of my male co-residents broke his wrist while lifting and had to miss 2-3 months, you can bet I'd be equally pissed. Neurosurgery is a choice. If you know you want to have kids, then plan to have them either before or after residency. Or pick another specialty. No one is forcing you to become a neurosurgeon besides yourself.

First - you are ultimately preaching to the choir. Neurosurgery has no time for SJW, etc. 

However, there easy work arounds you are ignoring by putting no mental effort into problem solving. For one, you could increase the number of advanced level providers that cover call or hire one when a resident gets pregnant or breaks their arm lifting. No impact on training and small cost to department.
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#97
our department doesn't even pay for loupes and lead, let alone a mid level provider. lol.
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#98
Neurosurgery is hard.

Most leading neurosurgeons are good people who recognize the barriers women face to entering the profession and are working to minimize them.

Remember there are about 1,500 neurosurgery residents and vastly more attendings. You can bet the number of people posting on this site is not reflective of this larger pool.
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#99
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(07-19-2018, 01:10 AM)Guest Wrote: Current senior resident here at a busy academic program. At the risk of being slightly off tangent, I just wanted to share my thoughts and advice to applicants. Take this for what it's worth (being brutally honest here)

1) if you are doing your sub-I and I hear anything about duty hours, work-life balance,, anything along those lines - you're getting blackballed

2) (for females) if you show up to your sub-I or interview and straight up tell someone you're planning on having kids during residency - you're getting blackballed

3) if you whine in any way shape or form about how tough it is or how people are mean to you and singling you out - you're getting blackballed

I have no problem if you're a man/woman, straight/gay, black/white, etc. but if your "label" affects your ability to complete your duties as a resident then I don't want you in my program. If you perceive slights at every corner and feel like everyone is against you because of your race, gender, or ethnicity, then you may just be too sensitive for neurosurgery. Part of being a good resident is taking a beating with a smile and coming back for more the next day. These are the qualities that I look for in our incoming applicants. If you get butthurt easily then I suggest you look at another specialty.

Regarding the pregnancy thing, I'm not against you getting pregnant. I'm against you getting pregnant during residency. If I have to take extra call or lose my research block because I have to cover for you during maternity leave, then you are taking away from my residency experience. You have a choice regarding what specialty you go into, just like you have a choice of having a child during residency (barring any accidental pregnancies). If you want to have a kid during your 20s to 30s then pick a different specialty.

Just my two cents take it or leave it

Also if I say gentlemans program while we're talking and you correct me - you're getting blackballed

*TRIGGER WARNING*
Use of the term "problematic" may induce red-blooded neurosurgeons into fits of whinging about SJW's, Tumblr, and/or Millenials.

The reason statements like 2) are problematic is not because you don't have the right to feel burdended or unjustly impacted by the prolonged absence of another resident - you do, and you likely will be. But instead of attempting to solve your problem by restricting someone else's reproductive choice through shame and intidmidation, perhaps the focus should be on the systems and expectations in place that allow neurosurgery programs to be so fragile and understaffed that the absence of a resident for two or three months would so drastically affect your training.

(07-20-2018, 03:05 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-19-2018, 11:13 PM)Guest Wrote: This poster is clearly not a resident...

Most residency programs have the number of residents that they do because it just isn't feasible to add more people to the resident complement. Case volume across the country isn't high enough to justify adding more people, and a large number of residents graduating these days are already undertrained as a result of work hour restrictions. So unless you're proposing to extend residency to 8 years, there's no simple solution. Plus a lot of programs cover multiple hospitals, which means residents are spread thin and simply adding one or two more people isn't going to make a big enough difference to matter anyway.

No one is trying to intimidate or shame women into choosing another specialty. The problem is that choosing to have a kid affects other people in the program negatively. Is it fair that your choice means that I have to work harder? No it isn't. If one of my male co-residents broke his wrist while lifting and had to miss 2-3 months, you can bet I'd be equally pissed. Neurosurgery is a choice. If you know you want to have kids, then plan to have them either before or after residency. Or pick another specialty. No one is forcing you to become a neurosurgeon besides yourself.

First - you are ultimately preaching to the choir. Neurosurgery has no time for SJW, etc. 

However, there easy work arounds you are ignoring by putting no mental effort into problem solving. For one, you could increase the number of advanced level providers that cover call or hire one when a resident gets pregnant or breaks their arm lifting. No impact on training and small cost to department.

Lol good mid levels are incredibly hard to come by. Most function at the level of a an intern or junior resident, and good luck getting them to take call. You're delusional if you think hiring one NP is enough to offset the loss of a resident for a few months. Also you think anyone would agree to a temporary gig requiring you to take call.

Most programs are going to take the path of least resistance...which means pulling an off service resident to cover. Just the simple truth.

(07-20-2018, 08:38 AM)Guest Wrote: Neurosurgery is hard.

Most leading neurosurgeons are good people who recognize the barriers women face to entering the profession and are working to minimize them.

Remember there are about 1,500 neurosurgery residents and vastly more attendings. You can bet the number of people posting on this site is not reflective of this larger pool.

Most of us aren't trying to prevent women from entering neurosurgery. Diversity is a good thing. BUT we're trying to find the right kind of women

Y'all can continue to live in your little fantasy world but this is the ugly truth and the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.
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(07-20-2018, 08:48 AM)Guest Wrote: Guest
(07-19-2018, 01:10 AM)Guest Wrote: Current senior resident here at a busy academic program. At the risk of being slightly off tangent, I just wanted to share my thoughts and advice to applicants. Take this for what it's worth (being brutally honest here)

1) if you are doing your sub-I and I hear anything about duty hours, work-life balance,, anything along those lines - you're getting blackballed

2) (for females) if you show up to your sub-I or interview and straight up tell someone you're planning on having kids during residency - you're getting blackballed

3) if you whine in any way shape or form about how tough it is or how people are mean to you and singling you out - you're getting blackballed

I have no problem if you're a man/woman, straight/gay, black/white, etc. but if your "label" affects your ability to complete your duties as a resident then I don't want you in my program. If you perceive slights at every corner and feel like everyone is against you because of your race, gender, or ethnicity, then you may just be too sensitive for neurosurgery. Part of being a good resident is taking a beating with a smile and coming back for more the next day. These are the qualities that I look for in our incoming applicants. If you get butthurt easily then I suggest you look at another specialty.

Regarding the pregnancy thing, I'm not against you getting pregnant. I'm against you getting pregnant during residency. If I have to take extra call or lose my research block because I have to cover for you during maternity leave, then you are taking away from my residency experience. You have a choice regarding what specialty you go into, just like you have a choice of having a child during residency (barring any accidental pregnancies). If you want to have a kid during your 20s to 30s then pick a different specialty.

Just my two cents take it or leave it

Also if I say gentlemans program while we're talking and you correct me - you're getting blackballed

*TRIGGER WARNING*
Use of the term "problematic" may induce red-blooded neurosurgeons into fits of whinging about SJW's, Tumblr, and/or Millenials.

The reason statements like 2) are problematic is not because you don't have the right to feel burdended or unjustly impacted by the prolonged absence of another resident - you do, and you likely will be. But instead of attempting to solve your problem by restricting someone else's reproductive choice through shame and intidmidation, perhaps the focus should be on the systems and expectations in place that allow neurosurgery programs to be so fragile and understaffed that the absence of a resident for two or three months would so drastically affect your training.

(07-20-2018, 03:05 AM)Guest Wrote:
(07-19-2018, 11:13 PM)Guest Wrote: This poster is clearly not a resident...

Most residency programs have the number of residents that they do because it just isn't feasible to add more people to the resident complement. Case volume across the country isn't high enough to justify adding more people, and a large number of residents graduating these days are already undertrained as a result of work hour restrictions. So unless you're proposing to extend residency to 8 years, there's no simple solution. Plus a lot of programs cover multiple hospitals, which means residents are spread thin and simply adding one or two more people isn't going to make a big enough difference to matter anyway.

No one is trying to intimidate or shame women into choosing another specialty. The problem is that choosing to have a kid affects other people in the program negatively. Is it fair that your choice means that I have to work harder? No it isn't. If one of my male co-residents broke his wrist while lifting and had to miss 2-3 months, you can bet I'd be equally pissed. Neurosurgery is a choice. If you know you want to have kids, then plan to have them either before or after residency. Or pick another specialty. No one is forcing you to become a neurosurgeon besides yourself.

First - you are ultimately preaching to the choir. Neurosurgery has no time for SJW, etc. 

However, there easy work arounds you are ignoring by putting no mental effort into problem solving. For one, you could increase the number of advanced level providers that cover call or hire one when a resident gets pregnant or breaks their arm lifting. No impact on training and small cost to department.

Lol good mid levels are incredibly hard to come by. Most function at the level of a an intern or junior resident, and good luck getting them to take call. You're delusional if you think hiring one NP is enough to offset the loss of a resident for a few months. Also you think anyone would agree to a temporary gig requiring you to take call.

Most programs are going to take the path of least resistance...which means pulling an off service resident to cover. Just the simple truth.

(07-20-2018, 08:38 AM)Guest Wrote: Neurosurgery is hard.

Most leading neurosurgeons are good people who recognize the barriers women face to entering the profession and are working to minimize them.

Remember there are about 1,500 neurosurgery residents and vastly more attendings. You can bet the number of people posting on this site is not reflective of this larger pool.

Most of us aren't trying to prevent women from entering neurosurgery. Diversity is a good thing. BUT we're trying to find the right kind of women

Y'all can continue to live in your little fantasy world but this is the ugly truth and the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.

Speak for yourself.  I'm trying to prevent women from entering neurosurgery ?
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