(11-13-2021, 11:36 AM)Guest Wrote: (11-13-2021, 12:05 AM)Guest Wrote: (11-09-2021, 09:10 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-09-2021, 05:14 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-09-2021, 02:15 PM)Guest Wrote: Why did they match her then? Also, if she seemed fine to you, why are you not surprised? I can't understand how you can know someone for 5 years, interview that person, watch that personate rotate and then notice something bad? Sometime seems off.
Lol I can't speak for WashU dude, my point was just that even though I didn't have bad experiences with her, she clearly rubbed a lot of people the wrong way at my institution in a very short period of time, so it's not surprising that things didn't work out well for her in such a political field. Also who knows, maybe neurosurgery/medicine just wasn't for her - it's not always a bad sign when a resident leaves unless it's a consistent pattern, which it's not at WashU, they have a very solid history in that regard.
why are u so protective of mama WashU? It seems like they did something evil. So how do you work with someone for 5 years, watch them sub i with you, interview them, let them work with you for 3 years and then suddenly find that they are incompetent and should have their life destroyed?
I woulden't be surprized if she was ruined for purely petty/academic reasions
dosen't make sense to me
I can see how it's hard to comprehend as a medical student, but it makes sense and actually happens relatively frequently. 99% of what's in everyone's applications has nothing to do with how they'll perform as a resident. How quickly you'll pick up the work flow, how you're able to triage, how you interact with attendings, how quickly you're able to pick things up in the OR, those are what matter, not your ability to cram internal medicine facts for a week. In this case, having 20 1st author papers has nothing to do with any of that, being a medical student and a polite shadower able to use a perforator also has nothing to do with it.
It's very possible someone is easy to get along with, productive in research, performs intern duties, and then gets to PGY-3/4 years given actual responsibility in the OR and can't hack it. Those people are dangerous and hurt people, and PD's have a duty to patients and the public to only tolerate so much incompetence. You're not guaranteed to be a neurosurgeon when you match.
why are you so defensive of moma WashU? Its possible that people--faculty--make mistakes.
Research and usmle scores are strongly associated with ability to learn new things, work with others, etc. have you ever done research? its involves quite a bit of interpersonal skills. Same for roations, and first 3-4 years of residency, lots of interpersonal skills, lots of learning new things
So basically, everything goes well and then all of a sudden you are bad enough to get your life ruined? Possibly, but seems very fishy to me .
Cite the studies that show USMLE scores correlate with being able to work well with people. I’ll wait.
(11-13-2021, 08:08 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-13-2021, 11:36 AM)Guest Wrote: (11-13-2021, 12:05 AM)Guest Wrote: (11-09-2021, 09:10 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-09-2021, 05:14 PM)Guest Wrote: Lol I can't speak for WashU dude, my point was just that even though I didn't have bad experiences with her, she clearly rubbed a lot of people the wrong way at my institution in a very short period of time, so it's not surprising that things didn't work out well for her in such a political field. Also who knows, maybe neurosurgery/medicine just wasn't for her - it's not always a bad sign when a resident leaves unless it's a consistent pattern, which it's not at WashU, they have a very solid history in that regard.
why are u so protective of mama WashU? It seems like they did something evil. So how do you work with someone for 5 years, watch them sub i with you, interview them, let them work with you for 3 years and then suddenly find that they are incompetent and should have their life destroyed?
I woulden't be surprized if she was ruined for purely petty/academic reasions
dosen't make sense to me
I can see how it's hard to comprehend as a medical student, but it makes sense and actually happens relatively frequently. 99% of what's in everyone's applications has nothing to do with how they'll perform as a resident. How quickly you'll pick up the work flow, how you're able to triage, how you interact with attendings, how quickly you're able to pick things up in the OR, those are what matter, not your ability to cram internal medicine facts for a week. In this case, having 20 1st author papers has nothing to do with any of that, being a medical student and a polite shadower able to use a perforator also has nothing to do with it.
It's very possible someone is easy to get along with, productive in research, performs intern duties, and then gets to PGY-3/4 years given actual responsibility in the OR and can't hack it. Those people are dangerous and hurt people, and PD's have a duty to patients and the public to only tolerate so much incompetence. You're not guaranteed to be a neurosurgeon when you match.
why are you so defensive of moma WashU? Its possible that people--faculty--make mistakes.
Research and usmle scores are strongly associated with ability to learn new things, work with others, etc. have you ever done research? its involves quite a bit of interpersonal skills. Same for roations, and first 3-4 years of residency, lots of interpersonal skills, lots of learning new things
So basically, everything goes well and then all of a sudden you are bad enough to get your life ruined? Possibly, but seems very fishy to me .
Cite the studies that show USMLE scores correlate with being able to work well with people. I’ll wait.
Doing research with others and working well with someone for 9 years would suggest adequate interpersonal skills.
Also: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6497117/
(11-14-2021, 02:11 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-13-2021, 08:08 PM)Guest Wrote: (11-13-2021, 11:36 AM)Guest Wrote: (11-13-2021, 12:05 AM)Guest Wrote: (11-09-2021, 09:10 PM)Guest Wrote: why are u so protective of mama WashU? It seems like they did something evil. So how do you work with someone for 5 years, watch them sub i with you, interview them, let them work with you for 3 years and then suddenly find that they are incompetent and should have their life destroyed?
I woulden't be surprized if she was ruined for purely petty/academic reasions
dosen't make sense to me
I can see how it's hard to comprehend as a medical student, but it makes sense and actually happens relatively frequently. 99% of what's in everyone's applications has nothing to do with how they'll perform as a resident. How quickly you'll pick up the work flow, how you're able to triage, how you interact with attendings, how quickly you're able to pick things up in the OR, those are what matter, not your ability to cram internal medicine facts for a week. In this case, having 20 1st author papers has nothing to do with any of that, being a medical student and a polite shadower able to use a perforator also has nothing to do with it.
It's very possible someone is easy to get along with, productive in research, performs intern duties, and then gets to PGY-3/4 years given actual responsibility in the OR and can't hack it. Those people are dangerous and hurt people, and PD's have a duty to patients and the public to only tolerate so much incompetence. You're not guaranteed to be a neurosurgeon when you match.
why are you so defensive of moma WashU? Its possible that people--faculty--make mistakes.
Research and usmle scores are strongly associated with ability to learn new things, work with others, etc. have you ever done research? its involves quite a bit of interpersonal skills. Same for roations, and first 3-4 years of residency, lots of interpersonal skills, lots of learning new things
So basically, everything goes well and then all of a sudden you are bad enough to get your life ruined? Possibly, but seems very fishy to me .
Cite the studies that show USMLE scores correlate with being able to work well with people. I’ll wait.
Doing research with others and working well with someone for 9 years would suggest adequate interpersonal skills.
Also: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6497117/
So the answer is you have no studies. A correlation with # of honors in 3rd year has little to nothing to do with a successful resident.
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