(12-12-2021, 05:40 AM)rgsn75d Wrote: As you finish December interviews, if you've done at least 15 (maybe even 10-12 for really strong applicants) and have some that you're not interested in, strongly consider cancelling. There are folks out there who will gladly fill that spot. The data show that between 10 and 15 is the 'magic' number for neurosurgery, so doing much more than that if you're really unlikely to go to that program is a waste of your time and potentially hurts someone else. When I applied to med school, I was accepted at 6 of my top choices within the first few months, what more could I ask for? I cancelled the rest of my interviews or withdrew my application anywhere else. I'd like to think that someone else got a look who deserved it as much or more than I did. It is hard to match in neurosurgery, no question, but program directors aren't interested in interviewing someone who is not genuinely interested in them, especially when there is a long line of folks who really want the spot. Good luck!
PS. On a personal note, I've gotten 8 invites, feeling good but of course would love to get up to 10. Thanks to anyone who cancels interviews in the Northeast or West Coast!
I'm curious as to how you can so confidently state that "at least 15 interviews" will result in a match given that there is no charting outcomes data for any virtual interview year? Please elaborate on where you are retrieving this data from; I certainly concede that I may be missing some data from papers or surveys of last year, but I can find no official NRMP data. For me, a high probability of matching is above a 90% chance.
My program director told me directly to "go on as many interviews as possible so you can rank as many programs as possible" when I brought up the idea of canceling interviews (I have scheduled approximately 30). Why should I not listen to their advice?
At a certain point there are diminishing returns. If you can’t match after 10 interviews you only have slightly better odds after 20 and 30 etc. That said go on all the interviews you can.
(12-15-2021, 02:13 PM)Guest Wrote: At a certain point there are diminishing returns. If you can’t match after 10 interviews you only have slightly better odds after 20 and 30 etc. That said go on all the interviews you can.
Again, you are saying this with a confidence that is unmatched by any objective data: how can you be sure that this is the case? Why is 10 interviews the point of diminishing returns, and not 5, or 15? Isn't the burden of proof on you to show us that >10 interviews (which appears to be an arbitrary number) is redundant?
You’d have to be insane to go on <10 interviews; I zoom into these interviews with ~20 people and program has like 4 days so they interview ~80 for like 2-3 spots. I’m ranking 30 programs and would have done more if it weren’t for unavoidable interview conflicts. I will do anything it takes to up my match percentage likelihood, and at this point all I can do is go to the interviews.
Most people match in there top 10 programs ranked.
(12-15-2021, 04:33 PM)Guest Wrote: Most people match in there top 10 programs ranked.
I wanna see stats for this for neurosurgery in particular not including all the other specialties; haven’t found it anywhere and I’ve personally talked to many who landed at 10+. See those random hopkins/ucsf/harvard grads at tiny no name programs? They thank god everyday they ranked 20+ programs
For what its worth, per the N=85 applicants who completed the 2021 NRMP survey (25% response rate), the median number of invites for matched and unmatched MD/DO candidates was 25 and 19, respectively. The unmatched number is up from 13 in 2020. The average on the 2022 sheet is ~18. source - https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/...Report.pdf
The reality is that no one really knows. I'm all for selflessness, those are the people who I want as my coresidents, but the idea that anyone can make sweeping conclusions on the available data is simply nearsighted. This is especially true for people from sub-50 medical schools, nontrad candidates, or with red flags. I am one of these candidates and wish I had some more invites, but I don't fault anyone for going on 20+ interviews; no one is incentivized to do differently. If I don't match, I'll be fine because I have my mixtape and my night job.
It's our job to change this shit system for the future, open up residency programs in new places, and attract motivated talent to the specialty. Don't forget how you feel now when its your turn to make an actual difference and not just be hiding behind a keyboard.
Look this is a highly anxiety-provoking process. You could match to the program of your dreams, be the next Lawton and write 8 aneurysms, and break Steph Curry's 3 point record, but 150 years from now no one is going to give a flying fook. Even if you're a gunner - be kind and leave people better than when you found them - that's a true legacy - and ultimately why neurosurgery is the best career in the world.
When we're all at the SNS bootcamp, Don Julio is on me. Stay sweet y'all.
(12-16-2021, 12:05 AM)Guest Wrote: For what its worth, per the N=85 applicants who completed the 2021 NRMP survey (25% response rate), the median number of invites for matched and unmatched MD/DO candidates was 25 and 19, respectively. The unmatched number is up from 13 in 2020. The average on the 2022 sheet is ~18. source - https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/...Report.pdf
The reality is that no one really knows. I'm all for selflessness, those are the people who I want as my coresidents, but the idea that anyone can make sweeping conclusions on the available data is simply nearsighted. This is especially true for people from sub-50 medical schools, nontrad candidates, or with red flags. I am one of these candidates and wish I had some more invites, but I don't fault anyone for going on 20+ interviews; no one is incentivized to do differently. If I don't match, I'll be fine because I have my mixtape and my night job.
It's our job to change this shit system for the future, open up residency programs in new places, and attract motivated talent to the specialty. Don't forget how you feel now when its your turn to make an actual difference and not just be hiding behind a keyboard.
Look this is a highly anxiety-provoking process. You could match to the program of your dreams, be the next Lawton and write 8 aneurysms, and break Steph Curry's 3 point record, but 150 years from now no one is going to give a flying fook. Even if you're a gunner - be kind and leave people better than when you found them - that's a true legacy - and ultimately why neurosurgery is the best career in the world.
When we're all at the SNS bootcamp, Don Julio is on me. Stay sweet y'all.
This is a wild stat…blaming PDs for inviting way too many people to interviews. No one should be doing 18 fucking interviews on average to be unmatched like how do these people have strength to soap and be productive physicians in other specialties after that wtf it’s a waste of human capital
(12-16-2021, 12:05 AM)Guest Wrote: For what its worth, per the N=85 applicants who completed the 2021 NRMP survey (25% response rate), the median number of invites for matched and unmatched MD/DO candidates was 25 and 19, respectively. The unmatched number is up from 13 in 2020. The average on the 2022 sheet is ~18. source - https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/...Report.pdf
The reality is that no one really knows. I'm all for selflessness, those are the people who I want as my coresidents, but the idea that anyone can make sweeping conclusions on the available data is simply nearsighted. This is especially true for people from sub-50 medical schools, nontrad candidates, or with red flags. I am one of these candidates and wish I had some more invites, but I don't fault anyone for going on 20+ interviews; no one is incentivized to do differently. If I don't match, I'll be fine because I have my mixtape and my night job.
It's our job to change this shit system for the future, open up residency programs in new places, and attract motivated talent to the specialty. Don't forget how you feel now when its your turn to make an actual difference and not just be hiding behind a keyboard.
Look this is a highly anxiety-provoking process. You could match to the program of your dreams, be the next Lawton and write 8 aneurysms, and break Steph Curry's 3 point record, but 150 years from now no one is going to give a flying fook. Even if you're a gunner - be kind and leave people better than when you found them - that's a true legacy - and ultimately why neurosurgery is the best career in the world.
When we're all at the SNS bootcamp, Don Julio is on me. Stay sweet y'all.
fuck off with this sentimental garbage.
(12-16-2021, 01:39 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-16-2021, 12:05 AM)Guest Wrote: For what its worth, per the N=85 applicants who completed the 2021 NRMP survey (25% response rate), the median number of invites for matched and unmatched MD/DO candidates was 25 and 19, respectively. The unmatched number is up from 13 in 2020. The average on the 2022 sheet is ~18. source - https://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/...Report.pdf
The reality is that no one really knows. I'm all for selflessness, those are the people who I want as my coresidents, but the idea that anyone can make sweeping conclusions on the available data is simply nearsighted. This is especially true for people from sub-50 medical schools, nontrad candidates, or with red flags. I am one of these candidates and wish I had some more invites, but I don't fault anyone for going on 20+ interviews; no one is incentivized to do differently. If I don't match, I'll be fine because I have my mixtape and my night job.
It's our job to change this shit system for the future, open up residency programs in new places, and attract motivated talent to the specialty. Don't forget how you feel now when its your turn to make an actual difference and not just be hiding behind a keyboard.
Look this is a highly anxiety-provoking process. You could match to the program of your dreams, be the next Lawton and write 8 aneurysms, and break Steph Curry's 3 point record, but 150 years from now no one is going to give a flying fook. Even if you're a gunner - be kind and leave people better than when you found them - that's a true legacy - and ultimately why neurosurgery is the best career in the world.
When we're all at the SNS bootcamp, Don Julio is on me. Stay sweet y'all.
fuck off with this sentimental garbage.
some of yall need to pick up smoking weed rather than being cowards behind anon forums and it shows lol - i'll say it again - stay sweet and good luck
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