Here’s the deal with Stanford (AMA)

[Guest]

Quote:I can’t speak for our program leadership but I would imagine the interview pool will be significantly larger along several dimensions than this year’s.

What does Stanford think about people from lower-tier MD and DO schools? Do you even consider them?

Be honest, please.

[Guest]

Look at their current and past residents and you tell me. Barely anyone from outside the t10 MD programs gets matched

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While you're at it, will you consider Caribbean grads? Have a couple friends from TOP carib schools like SGU and Ross who'd love to apply. Glad to hear you'll be more inclusive

[Guest]

Quote:If you managed to recruit the illustrious Dr. Rolle on as faculty next year to teach a fellowship based on the 2% way more competitive applicants will want to come OP

According to ChatGTP, Rolle and the 2% way belong at Stanny:

Myron Rolle, an athlete of great renown,
With prowess on the field and a brain to astound,
His talents, he put to use as he pursued his dream,
To become a neurosurgeon, so it would seem.

At Stanford he arrived, a faculty position secured,
A brilliant future ahead, of that he was assured,
And there he set out to make a difference profound,
With the 2% way, his vision unbound.

The 2% way, a simple idea with power untold,
To give just a little bit more, to break the mold,
To push beyond the limit, to reach new heights,
To never give up, to always fight.

With this philosophy in mind, Myron Rolle went to work,
And his brilliance and dedication, they did not shirk,
He used his skills and knowledge to heal and to teach,
To make a difference in the lives he did reach.

And so he made his mark, in the field of neurosurgery,
A true pioneer, his vision a shining legacy,
For Myron Rolle, with his 2% way,
Has shown us all, what it means to seize the day.

[Guest]

Lol @ Carribean grads and DO students. Ducks trying to be swans.

[Guest]

Actually I know some top DO and Carribean grads. Usually they were party people in undergrad (aka social and can relate to patients). They settle in med school and get top of class. Get into nsgy and plastics. And have rocking career. They made a name for them self instead of hiding behind school name.
Too many damn insecure people in medicine who if they lost their job they would have no identity in life.

[Guest]

Lol, you seem insecure. Are you a DO student who was too dumb to get into a real medical school?

1. There are fewer than 5 DOs and maybe 1 Caribbean student who match into neurosurgery. If they do match, it's almost always at the shittiest programs in the country. For any DO or Carribean student interested in nsg, there is a 99 percent attrition rate.
2. Being a party person does not mean that you have good social skills. It just means that you have a primitive enough mind to get shitface drunk. Those kinds of people don't belong into neurosurgery. It is a field for the intellectual elite.
3. Most people, who if they were to lose their jobs, would lose a good portion of their identity. If Lebron sucked at sports, where would he be in life?

[Guest]

How much is the anti-DO bias? Just the other day I met with a mid-tier PD and they told me to re-apply to MD schools.

[Guest]

Why are we arguing? Stanford’s new inclusivity rules will allow any Caribbean grad to pursue their nsgy dream at their institution

[Guest]

In 2022, the total number of DO Senior Applicants was 21. Of those, 9 matched, for a 42.86% match percentage. 95% of programs will reject you out of the door regardless of your stats. 5% will consider you and those are the lowest tier programs.

The bias exists. Most academic neurosurgeons are prestige snobs whether you like or not. Honestly, I would have went to law or business school if I was forced to go down the DO route. If you are in the DO route, smartest move would be to go the general surgery route where there are a lot more spots available for DO students. Then, you can focus on getting into a top fellowship.

[Guest]

^^ I will probably try for GS instead, even though my heart is with NS.

Unlike many DOs, I had good GPA, solid MCAT, and solid research. I had several MD interviews but I get nervous in interviews and only got into DO schools.

I met with a NS PD and a few academic NS over the past few months. When they heard I was DO, they all just dismissed me outright. My research experience and performance just did not matter. I don't have any connections. Their is little point in trying, TBH