Completing pgy1 helps?

[confusedmonkey]

does having completed a pgy1 (prelim surgery) offer an advantage to matching in NS?

Would he have more options as in matching into either PGY1 or PGY2(depending on vacancies available) of neurosurgery?

Ive heard of someone who had completed a pre-residency who managed to match into a PGY2 NSG, as he had also finished a PGY1 prelim surgery year before.

Not sure if this is true now.

[Guest]

not true. can't match into pgy - 2 anymore from prelim, you would have to start from pgy - 1 per the new acgme rules.

always best to match into nsgy from m4.

[Guest]

(03-26-2017, 03:55 AM)Guest Wrote: not true. can't match into pgy - 2 anymore from prelim, you would have to start from pgy - 1 per the new acgme rules.

always best to match into nsgy from m4.

oh okay. thanks. Could you tell me when these rules changed? around how many years back?

[Guest]

(03-26-2017, 06:28 AM)Guest Wrote:

(03-26-2017, 03:55 AM)Guest Wrote: not true. can't match into pgy - 2 anymore from prelim, you would have to start from pgy - 1 per the new acgme rules.

always best to match into nsgy from m4.

oh okay. thanks. Could you tell me when these rules changed? around how many years back?

That's actually not true. there are multiple individuals who have completed a preliminary surgery year and who have been able to slide into a PGY-2 spot within this year and last year. Vermont is one example from last year.

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(03-26-2017, 09:29 AM)Guest Wrote:

(03-26-2017, 06:28 AM)Guest Wrote:

(03-26-2017, 03:55 AM)Guest Wrote: not true. can't match into pgy - 2 anymore from prelim, you would have to start from pgy - 1 per the new acgme rules.

always best to match into nsgy from m4.

oh okay. thanks. Could you tell me when these rules changed? around how many years back?

That's actually not true. there are multiple individuals who have completed a preliminary surgery year and who have been able to slide into a PGY-2 spot within this year and last year. Vermont is one example from last year.

Technically you guys are both right. Here is the document from the ACGME.


Prior to accepting a transferring resident, the program director must receive written verification of the resident's previous educational experiences, case logs, and a statement regarding his or her performance evaluation. This information must be maintained in the resident’s file. The Review Committee does not need to be notified of the acceptance of a transfer resident, provided there is an open position for the resident and the appointment does not exceed the total approved resident complement. A newly appointed transfer resident must be entered into ADS before he or she can be added to the ACGME Case Log System for the receiving program. The ABNS may have requirements governing resident transfers. Accordingly, it is recommended that plans to accept a resident from another program be discussed with the ABNS prior to appointment of the resident.
Following the existing ABNS policy, programs may request elective credit for training received in another country, such as the UK or Australia. The ABNS will grant up to 12 months of such elective credit. Programs requesting such credit must request Review Committee approval following receipt of the ABNS decision. If approved by the Review Committee, such residents must be accepted into the program at the PGY-1 level and may be advanced to the PGY-2 level based on ACGME Milestones assessments. Please contact the Executive Director for additional information. 

=) Just clarifying that both of you are right, technically.

[Guest]

OHSU in Portland, OR has a pre-residency Neuro-Onc fellowship spot for this year. Not directly Neurosurg but you work closely with Neurosurg, can rotate on their service for letters, and get to do tons of endo cases (3-vessel angios 1:1 with attending) throughout the year. Check out the post in "Job Openings"

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Guest Wrote:OHSU in Portland, OR has a pre-residency Neuro-Onc fellowship spot for this year. Not directly Neurosurg but you work closely with Neurosurg, can rotate on their service for letters, and get to do tons of endo cases (3-vessel angios 1:1 with attending) throughout the year. Check out the post in "Job Openings"

Ooops wrong thread

[Guest]

so u can basically do a pre-residency fellowship and slide into a pgy2 spot?

[Guest]

(01-04-2019, 07:41 PM)Guest Wrote: so u can basically do a pre-residency fellowship and slide into a pgy2 spot?

No. Pre residency is not accredited, so must start as a pgy 1