12-26-2021, 04:36 AM
How does Cornell fare as a place to become an academic neurosurgeon? Will you become well trained?
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12-26-2021, 08:31 AM
Don’t compare to man’s greatest hospital
12-26-2021, 06:10 PM
how does it compare to Barrow? Thank you sirs
12-26-2021, 07:45 PM
(12-26-2021, 06:10 PM)Guest Wrote: how does it compare to Barrow? Thank you sirs Complete antithesis of one another. Cornell is very much about credentialism, but low operative autonomy. Probably better academic job prospects coming out of Cornell at present, especially if you want a job in a New York or NE program. But because its in New York and the neurosurgery environment is hyper competitive, attendings at Cornell do not have the leeway to give you the autonomy in the OR because you might make a mistake. Plus it is crazy expensive to live in NYC vs Phoenix; you're probably relegated to living in their dorm, so back to college life. BNI has changed over the past 10 years and isn't seemingly putting as many people in academic jobs as they did in the 2000-2010 range, though two chiefs went academic (Walker --> Cedars in LA; Godzik to UAB), or three if you consider Allegheny an academic job. If you have interviews at these caliber of programs though, you're probably doing pretty well on the interview trail. I think ultimately BNI might mean more of an uphill climb to get the academic job, but it'll be easier to get the clinical/operative skills, especially if you're interested in vascular or MIS spine. Underappreciated factor is probably where your family is/where you are at in your life. If you're married and don't have a bunch of family in tri-state area, BNI is probably the easier sell since you can't get a house in Phoenix and reasonably commute to work. But if you're younger, single and/or have family in tri-state area that you like/would like to be able to visit more than once a year, Cornell may be the easier sell. If you find yourself in the latter scenario, hope you're checking out all of the NYC programs because Sinai or Northwell might give you a more Barrow-like OR experience while allowing you to stay in NYC.
12-26-2021, 09:23 PM
Nobody gets hired in an academic position today without a fellowship, which is ultimately what will show up in your CV. So this discussion is useless, both are great programs and will get you well-positioned for a good fellowship. Pick the one that fits you best; in my case it would be operative autonomy first.
If you want to go private, then it is a no-brainer, operative autonomy always first.
12-26-2021, 09:34 PM
If you are not a competent surgeon, no credentials, pedigree or previous recommendations will help you face angry patients, families, department chair or hospital administration, and eventually you will lose that job. My advice is to make your purpose for residency to be: becoming the best surgeon you can be. Everything else will fall in place.
Agree with the comment that for most good academic jobs now, you will need a "post-grad" fellowship. PGY7 CAST fellowship is still not viewed as highly as a dedicated post-grad fellowship at another institution.
12-27-2021, 10:05 AM
All 4 from Barrow went into academics last year, none did a postgrad fellowship
Labib - open vascular at Maryland Whiting - epilepsy at Allegheny Walker - spine at Cedars Sinai Godzik - spine at UAB
12-27-2021, 12:33 PM
12-27-2021, 01:53 PM
(12-27-2021, 12:33 PM)Guest Wrote:(12-27-2021, 10:05 AM)Guest Wrote: All 4 from Barrow went into academics last year, none did a postgrad fellowship What would be spectacular
12-27-2021, 02:05 PM
(12-27-2021, 01:53 PM)Guest Wrote:(12-27-2021, 12:33 PM)Guest Wrote:(12-27-2021, 10:05 AM)Guest Wrote: All 4 from Barrow went into academics last year, none did a postgrad fellowship Jobs in any top 40 institution. |
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