Yo if this is real, you legitimately need psychiatric/psychological help my friend, I don’t say this to offend you but you’re literally delusional and unstable. Just set up an appointment with a school counselor/therapist or a local psychiatrist. Immediately. And stop visiting this site.
Mods, please ban this guy because he’s either a repeat offender troll or desperately needs help and this is not the place to get it.
I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let's evolve - let the chips fall where they may.
I hear a lot of talk on this forum, always constantly "research." Why is it even realistic to place so much burden on a medical student?
I really doubt that a medical student would be running their own lab and producing ground breaking results. From an applicant's perspective, is it just wiser for someone to focus on an operative program, that places value on surgical skills and clinical acumen, rather than writing research papers? Anecdotally, I have heard many chairmen and program directors state that they want to produce good surgeons, not necessarily someone who excels in writing research papers. Any thoughts or advice on this?
(12-21-2021, 10:02 PM)Guest Wrote: I hear a lot of talk on this forum, always constantly "research." Why is it even realistic to place so much burden on a medical student?
I really doubt that a medical student would be running their own lab and producing ground breaking results. From an applicant's perspective, is it just wiser for someone to focus on an operative program, that places value on surgical skills and clinical acumen, rather than writing research papers? Anecdotally, I have heard many chairmen and program directors state that they want to produce good surgeons, not necessarily someone who excels in writing research papers. Any thoughts or advice on this?
No one is expecting you to have ground breaking results. This is my 3rd year reviewing apps though and I can tell you the problem is your colleagues have really impressive research, whether I expect it or not. And you're ranked relative to your peers, not my expectations. Personally, I just want to see that you identified a neurosurgical problem, formulated a research question, collected and analyzed data, and put those thoughts into a coherent manuscript. I don't care what journal it's in, or whether you've changed the face of neurosurgery.
As far as valuing surgical skills and clinical acumen, the problem is it's difficult to evaluate, you have no surgical skills and it's unreasonable to expect you to. Anyone can be taught to hold a drill/knife correctly or tie a knot that doesn't mean anything. The only real way to evaluate your surgical potential at your level, in my opinion, is how you prepare for cases, which is more a marker of diligence and hard work.
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Half the people with impressive research are just feeding off the work of a great lab.
If a medical student can demonstrate to me that they: 1) understand the research question, 2) helped collect the data, 3) had enough insight to put together the importance, and 4) could rub all these thoughts together into a paper. It also gives us a free thing to talk about for a long-time during an interview. It helps demonstrate that you can get excited about something in neurosurgery. Everyone says "I LUV NSGY" - writing a decent paper demonstrates it.
I also have a vast appreciation for people that can also express their thoughts in writing well.
Thank you so much to the above two posters. Honest answers, for a change.
If I may ask, what do you think of retrospective studies? I don't have a home program so I have to work with a NS hundreds of miles away. So the only options available to me are retrospective studies and chart reviews.
Thank you so much once again
Many, although probably not all, places will recognize you actively sought out opportunities and look very favorably on it despite not being handed big stuff at your nonexistent home program. At least that was my experience coming from a school with no program, I had a fair number of pretty low impact stuff that was all chart reviews but they liked that I went out and found whatever I could.
(12-27-2021, 11:41 AM)Guest Wrote: Many, although probably not all, places will recognize you actively sought out opportunities and look very favorably on it despite not being handed big stuff at your nonexistent home program. At least that was my experience coming from a school with no program, I had a fair number of pretty low impact stuff that was all chart reviews but they liked that I went out and found whatever I could.
Agree with this. I review apps as a resident, I recognize the effort. And on the flip side, if you attend medical school at a powerhouse program and show up with a case report, I see that as not taking advantage of opportunities, unless your interest in neurosurgery arose in MS3. Being able to discuss your work and to show leadership in your research efforts matters most to me.
(12-27-2021, 12:23 PM)Guest Wrote: Agree with this. I review apps as a resident, I recognize the effort. And on the flip side, if you attend medical school at a powerhouse program and show up with a case report, I see that as not taking advantage of opportunities, unless your interest in neurosurgery arose in MS3. Being able to discuss your work and to show leadership in your research efforts matters most to me.
This is a subtly important point that gets lost on many, many applicants. I would extend it with - if you took a year off, you better have something impressive to show for it.
^^^Agree with the above posts. Senior resident who reviews apps. I prioritize applications from those who attend low tier schools/no home program with a few posters or a case report to those who have several 5th author papers from an institution that throws everybody's name on something. It's way more valuable and impressive to me to have someone who has actually completed the entire effort themselves - from coordinating an idea with an attending, collecting the data, interpreting and analyzing the data/case, to the writing, editing, submitting, formatting, responding to reviewers, etc. Those skills translate into self-sufficient, resourceful co-residents who dont call you for every single question and actually get the work done right.
We know which med schools/programs are a research candy store. Having unyielding access to editors, illustrators, data analysts, etc will certainly get your name on a lot of projects, which means nothing to me as your chief if you don't have your own set of skills.
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