very interesting and very much the case for my school
(02-13-2018, 01:57 PM)Guest Wrote: My PD says GHHS>>>AOA; character > scores
AOA just means white privilege keeping medicine and surgical specialties an old white club
See below:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaint...ct/2607210
(02-13-2018, 02:09 PM)Guest Wrote: very interesting and very much the case for my school
the jama article that is. Its a shitshow. Had more pubs and one of the highest Step scores, but the same group of friends received AOA
AOA is the biggest sham and lie - if you are white, rich, and well connected you already win the game.
Minorities should work together to share resources, mentor other minorities and students that are underrepresented in medicine.
And as a field, we as neurosurgeons should not think AOA means academic merit as much as it means class, wealth, and whiteness.
"After controlling for US Medical Licensing Examination Step 1 scores, research productivity, community service, leadership activity, and Gold Humanism membership, the study found that black (adjusted odds ratio [aOR], 0.16; 95% CI, 0.07-0.37) and Asian (aOR, 0.52; 95% CI, 0.42-0.65) medical students remained less likely to be AΩA members than white medical students. " From the JAMA article
(02-13-2018, 01:57 PM)Guest Wrote: My PD says GHHS>>>AOA; character > scores
AOA just means white privilege keeping medicine and surgical specialties an old white club
See below:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaint...ct/2607210
I know our school looked at this because people complained. It turned out that white kids scored, on average, 15-20 points higher on Step I and significantly higher on shelf exams, resulting in more honors which explains that discrepancy. Asians had similar/slightly higher scores but were underrepresented because the school takes into account a bunch of BS leadership/volunteering experiences which were mostly taken up by white kids. This subjective "leadership" part is where most of the bias probably happens and should definitely be taken out.
Sounds like this issue is significantly deeper than just your school?
(02-13-2018, 01:17 PM)Guest Wrote: (02-13-2018, 01:06 PM)Guest Wrote: For schools that don't have AOA, how is the Gold Humanism Honors Society received?
No one cares
Not true. I got multiple complements on being in GHHS at multiple interviews.
(02-13-2018, 02:19 PM)Guest Wrote: AOA is the biggest sham and lie - if you are white, rich, and well connected you already win the game.
Minorities should work together to share resources, mentor other minorities and students that are underrepresented in medicine.
And as a field, we as neurosurgeons should not think AOA means academic merit as much as it means class, wealth, and whiteness.
"After controlling for US Medical Licensing Examination Step 1 scores, research productivity, community service, leadership activity, and Gold Humanism membership, the study found that black (adjusted odds ratio [aOR], 0.16; 95% CI, 0.07-0.37) and Asian (aOR, 0.52; 95% CI, 0.42-0.65) medical students remained less likely to be AΩA members than white medical students. " From the JAMA article
AOA is awarded for academic excellence. The process itself isn't flawed simply because there are less black recipients. Perhaps we are selecting less qualified black students for medical school to begin with.
Reread the study - clearly AOA is not just awarded for academic excellence. Did you even read the quoted line from the JAMA pub?
(02-13-2018, 02:19 PM)Guest Wrote: AOA is the biggest sham and lie - if you are white, rich, and well connected you already win the game.
Minorities should work together to share resources, mentor other minorities and students that are underrepresented in medicine.
And as a field, we as neurosurgeons should not think AOA means academic merit as much as it means class, wealth, and whiteness.
"After controlling for US Medical Licensing Examination Step 1 scores, research productivity, community service, leadership activity, and Gold Humanism membership, the study found that black (adjusted odds ratio [aOR], 0.16; 95% CI, 0.07-0.37) and Asian (aOR, 0.52; 95% CI, 0.42-0.65) medical students remained less likely to be AΩA members than white medical students. " From the JAMA article
Way to not control for GRADES, the number one criteria for AOA. lol
(02-13-2018, 03:31 PM)Guest Wrote: Reread the study - clearly AOA is not just awarded for academic excellence. Did you even read the quoted line from the JAMA pub?
Can we at least be honest here? You're 7oset AOA doesn't have an affirmative action policy so you didn't get it.
(02-13-2018, 03:54 PM)Guest Wrote: (02-13-2018, 03:31 PM)Guest Wrote: Reread the study - clearly AOA is not just awarded for academic excellence. Did you even read the quoted line from the JAMA pub?
Can we at least be honest here? You're 7oset AOA doesn't have an affirmative action policy so you didn't get it.
Exactly. Almost everyone at our school who got AOA went to a top college and killed it (3.9+/38+). You don't suddenly get smarter or become a better test taker when you start med school. If you got a leg up in admissions you're not going to be able to hang with those kids on step 1 or shelf exams. Unless you're terrible on the wards, shelf exams literally determine your grades which is the most important factor for AOA.
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