(12-06-2020, 02:08 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 01:59 AM)Guest Wrote: Being a "team player" goes both ways. I consider it very disrespectful of physicians for NPs and PAs to use the title "Fellow" for themselves when they aren't doing the same work or making the same sacrifices that physicians have to make to earn that title. What kind of ego do you have to have to claim a title that you didn't invest the time or effort to earn?
I do not blame a residency applicant for wondering why their limited time on interview day is being taken up by interviewing with someone who doesn't actually know what it is like to a neurosurgery resident. Anything a neurosurgery PA would have to say about the education or workflow in the department could easily be addressed by an actual neurosurgery resident (a resident physician, I mean, not an NP or PA calling themselves a "resident").
They literally talked to fifteen physicians. Fifteen.
OK, so maybe that is why the applicant didn't find it helpful to talk to a person who doesn't actually know what it is like to be a neurosurgery resident?
(12-06-2020, 11:04 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 02:08 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 01:59 AM)Guest Wrote: Being a "team player" goes both ways. I consider it very disrespectful of physicians for NPs and PAs to use the title "Fellow" for themselves when they aren't doing the same work or making the same sacrifices that physicians have to make to earn that title. What kind of ego do you have to have to claim a title that you didn't invest the time or effort to earn?
I do not blame a residency applicant for wondering why their limited time on interview day is being taken up by interviewing with someone who doesn't actually know what it is like to a neurosurgery resident. Anything a neurosurgery PA would have to say about the education or workflow in the department could easily be addressed by an actual neurosurgery resident (a resident physician, I mean, not an NP or PA calling themselves a "resident").
They literally talked to fifteen physicians. Fifteen.
OK, so maybe that is why the applicant didn't find it helpful to talk to a person who doesn't actually know what it is like to be a neurosurgery resident?
So many assumptions here lol. They also had an interview with two nsg residents
The number of excuses being made for a portion of the day to be interacting with members of the team they will see every day is ridiculous.
(12-06-2020, 02:35 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 01:59 AM)Guest Wrote: Being a "team player" goes both ways. I consider it very disrespectful of physicians for NPs and PAs to use the title "Fellow" for themselves when they aren't doing the same work or making the same sacrifices that physicians have to make to earn that title. What kind of ego do you have to have to claim a title that you didn't invest the time or effort to earn?
I do not blame a residency applicant for wondering why their limited time on interview day is being taken up by interviewing with someone who doesn't actually know what it is like to a neurosurgery resident. Anything a neurosurgery PA would have to say about the education or workflow in the department could easily be addressed by an actual neurosurgery resident (a resident physician, I mean, not an NP or PA calling themselves a "resident").
Sorry, all PAs/NPs/DOs/MDs/non-academics please return your "Fellow" title. Academia would like you not to use it since you haven't made the same sacrifices that academics made to earn that title in the first place and we got there first. There is also a recycling bin for your ego by the door too. xx
I have a friend who is an artist and did an artist "residency". Good for him. Outside of the hospital, it doesn't matter who wants to be called doctor, resident or fellow. Inside the hospital, though, it matters a lot if everyone knows who the actual doctors are and understands the role/training of the other people on the team. There are plenty of other terms that PAs and NPs could use for their clinical training experiences. They choose to use the terms that blur the lines with physicians.
(12-06-2020, 11:11 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 11:04 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 02:08 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 01:59 AM)Guest Wrote: Being a "team player" goes both ways. I consider it very disrespectful of physicians for NPs and PAs to use the title "Fellow" for themselves when they aren't doing the same work or making the same sacrifices that physicians have to make to earn that title. What kind of ego do you have to have to claim a title that you didn't invest the time or effort to earn?
I do not blame a residency applicant for wondering why their limited time on interview day is being taken up by interviewing with someone who doesn't actually know what it is like to a neurosurgery resident. Anything a neurosurgery PA would have to say about the education or workflow in the department could easily be addressed by an actual neurosurgery resident (a resident physician, I mean, not an NP or PA calling themselves a "resident").
They literally talked to fifteen physicians. Fifteen.
OK, so maybe that is why the applicant didn't find it helpful to talk to a person who doesn't actually know what it is like to be a neurosurgery resident?
So many assumptions here lol. They also had an interview with two nsg residents
The number of excuses being made for a portion of the day to be interacting with members of the team they will see every day is ridiculous.
There is no evidence that the applicant was rude to Sarah when they interacted with her at the interview. The applicant just admitted they didn't understand why she was at an interview for a job she has never done herself.
I have never been a PA, so if I tried to interject my opinion about PA school to someone who had already spoken to 15 PAs about it, I would not be surprised or offended if they didn't find my input helpful.
(12-06-2020, 11:28 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 02:35 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 01:59 AM)Guest Wrote: Being a "team player" goes both ways. I consider it very disrespectful of physicians for NPs and PAs to use the title "Fellow" for themselves when they aren't doing the same work or making the same sacrifices that physicians have to make to earn that title. What kind of ego do you have to have to claim a title that you didn't invest the time or effort to earn?
I do not blame a residency applicant for wondering why their limited time on interview day is being taken up by interviewing with someone who doesn't actually know what it is like to a neurosurgery resident. Anything a neurosurgery PA would have to say about the education or workflow in the department could easily be addressed by an actual neurosurgery resident (a resident physician, I mean, not an NP or PA calling themselves a "resident").
Sorry, all PAs/NPs/DOs/MDs/non-academics please return your "Fellow" title. Academia would like you not to use it since you haven't made the same sacrifices that academics made to earn that title in the first place and we got there first. There is also a recycling bin for your ego by the door too. xx
I have a friend who is an artist and did an artist "residency". Good for him. Outside of the hospital, it doesn't matter who wants to be called doctor, resident or fellow. Inside the hospital, though, it matters a lot if everyone knows who the actual doctors are and understands the role/training of the other people on the team. There are plenty of other terms that PAs and NPs could use for their clinical training experiences. They choose to use the terms that blur the lines with physicians.
Over in the UK (and many other Commonwealth countries) it's quite common for surgeons at consultant (attending) levels reverting back to their original Ms/Mr title instead of Dr after completing surgery exams/training, in recognition of barber surgeons who completed an apprenticeship compared to doctors whose formal qualifications came from university study. Yet no one in these countries gets confused about who is what on the team, it just seems like the US likes to cry about it more than anywhere else.
NPs/PAs training is nowhere near equivalent to physician training and those groups shouldn't claim to provide the same care as doctors. Check
A student who feels the need to publicly name and shame a PAs participation in an interview is probably not going to be all that pleasant of a coworker. Also check
I think we can all agree that after 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, 100s of hours spent studying for steps and rotations, $1000s spent on exam fees and ERAS, finally getting those kickass interviews at great programs... Sucks to throw it all away for an anonymous post on neurosurgeryhub lol
It is not that difficult to trace back who posted that...would strongly suggest whoever say it admit the mistake to the program and gently withdraw from it...instead of dragging others down this shithole OP created.
(12-06-2020, 01:06 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-06-2020, 12:56 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-05-2020, 01:00 PM)Guest Wrote: (12-05-2020, 10:35 AM)Guest Wrote: (12-05-2020, 02:25 AM)Guest Wrote: why the f was there as PA "fellow" on my interview lmao what a joke
name and shame
mayo arizona
This is beyond disrespectful to the entire APP profession. They are ADVANCED practioners who have the same medical and surgical capabilities of any physician. If I were the Mayo PD I would not accept ANY applicants that interviewed on your day since the risk is too high a toxic personality such as yourself would enter the program.
This claim "same medical and surgical capabilities of any physician" is wrong. Are you saying 4 years of med school and 7 years of neurosurgery +/- fellowship is the same as 2-3 years NP/PA school? I disagree with the original OP, but you are also SO wrong. Instead of comparing to each other and making a false claim, let just appreciate each other and work as a team. We all have our own training background, expertise, and experience, let's stop with the comparison.
This "I would not accept ANY applicants that interviewed on your day" is also a false proposal. Why are other applicants being punished for one person's ignorance? What if you are one of them? I would expect you to propose otherwise. Don't be selfish.
Agreed
"They are ADVANCED practioners who have the same medical and surgical capabilities of any physician."
in what delusional world is this a reality? just help run the fucking list and keep the census low
(12-06-2020, 02:39 PM)Guest Wrote: "They are ADVANCED practioners who have the same medical and surgical capabilities of any physician."
in what delusional world is this a reality? just help run the fucking list and keep the census low
Watch out. You had the audacity to remind PAs that two years of PA school doesn’t make them exactly equivalent to a neurosurgeon. Now they’re going to try to hunt you down and ruin your career. Better start kissing Sarah’s ass as hard as you can if you wanna match at Mayo!
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