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| Case volume vs research - defining high tier programs |
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Posted by: Guest - 08-22-2020, 07:09 PM - Forum: On the trail
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This is just for brain storming, it is not intended to hurt anyones ego!
It has been the trend in medicine that research output and grants funding determines the reputation and ranking of residency programs. This was automatically reflected on surgical specialties as well, including neurosurgery. In the way that you see many programs that benefit from their undergrad or research reputation to hold the label "high tier" or competitive, despite low case volume. Examples are plenty, including Yale, Stanford, Columbia, and many others.
That is the same reason why for a long time the minimum requirement for graduation was 400 cases and only recently was changed to 800!
Kinda ridiculously low number! It is intuitive that you need much more than this to be a competent surgeon, and certainly taking 2 years off your senior years of residency for "protected research" is not helping, nor does having attendings who are great but very hands on! Otherwise more of the likes of Dr. Death will be out there.
Associated with all of this is the arbitrary definition of "high tier" programs. What really is a high tier program ? How could one program define itself as high tier while their residents graduate with 1200-1500 cases, regardless on how many residents they take per year ?! This has lead to many stories of new graduates from some of those programs suffering at their new place of hire, and some of them were let go. They are great researchers, but not competent surgeons!
A better definition of surgical tiers should be the number of cases done (as senior or lead surgeon) at time of graduation and the associated level of autonomy, in a way that:
- High tier - >2000 cases with reputation of supervised autonomy
- Middle tier - 1500-2000 cases
- Low tier - < 1500 cases
Of course per the ACGME definition a senior or lead surgeon has to do more than just opening and closing the wound to be able to log the case.
Certainly if the residents' interest is more directed towards basic science research, then their choice of such institutions is ideal. However, the programs still should not enjoy the definition of high tier only because they are good at handling lab animals for 2 years. It's incredibly counterintuitive to being a "surgeon"!
God bless!
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| Louisiana Programs |
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Posted by: Match - 08-18-2020, 11:11 PM - Forum: On the trail
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Louisiana has 3 programs: Tulane, LSU NO and LSU Shreveport. Looks like each one takes 2 per year. Anyone knows about their case volume and autonomy ?
I heard Shreveport is the busiest ?!
LSU NO alternates 1/2 residents per year. Tulane and Shreveport take 2 each. I was a resident in one of those.
Given that Louisiana has a "medical review board" system which makes it hard to sue physicians, all of these programs provide excellent autonomy and most attendings are very hands-off, sometime "stay home" level of hands-off.
As far as cases, Tulane joined forces with Ochsner hospital to increase their volume.
Tulane-Ochsner - around 3000-3500 cases per year
LSU NO - around 1200-1500 cases per year
LSU Shreveport - around 4000-4500 cases per year
Shreveport does more cases because it is the only place in the North. Still, NO is a nicer place to live. It will be volume vs location.
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| Vascular Fellowships |
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Posted by: Guest - 08-17-2020, 09:49 PM - Forum: Fellowship application
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I’ve been looking for the best vascular fellowships (both endo and open) and was hoping this group could provide some insight. Also, when is the ideal time to start reaching out to programs?
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| MSKCC Neurosurgical Oncology Fellowship |
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Posted by: Guest - 08-16-2020, 12:23 PM - Forum: General interest
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The Fellowship page says call is shared with Cornell residents every 3/4th night and weekend. Is this general call? This seems like they’re taking advantage of the fellow. Does anyone have any info on this fellowship?
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